Comments on: The Koha fork and being the change you want to see http://librariansmatter.com/blog/2009/09/19/the-koha-fork-and-being-the-change-you-want-to-see/ It is and we do. Musing, enthusing, libraries, emerging technologies, balancing, being mum. Thu, 11 Mar 2010 23:33:37 -0700 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: Adalid Ortiz http://librariansmatter.com/blog/2009/09/19/the-koha-fork-and-being-the-change-you-want-to-see/comment-page-1/#comment-62321 Adalid Ortiz Fri, 30 Oct 2009 22:39:14 +0000 http://librariansmatter.com/blog/?p=1390#comment-62321 What about the Spanish Koha Fork at http://koha.unlp.edu.ar/ What about the Spanish Koha Fork at http://koha.unlp.edu.ar/

]]> By: Kathryn Greenhill http://librariansmatter.com/blog/2009/09/19/the-koha-fork-and-being-the-change-you-want-to-see/comment-page-1/#comment-60308 Kathryn Greenhill Wed, 23 Sep 2009 13:31:41 +0000 http://librariansmatter.com/blog/?p=1390#comment-60308 Thanks for the feedback. I really needed to clarify my own thoughts on this one. In response to Paul.... The Koha community met via IRC on the 15th September to discuss forming a Koha Foundation. Chat transcript is here: http://stats.workbuffer.org/irclog/koha/2009-09-15 They considered a number of immediately possible options for vesting the Koha trademark and koha.org domain if Liblime would pass them on. A comparison of the options can be found here: http://wiki.koha.org/doku.php?do=show&id=kohaheldbyfoundation For the next two weeks people with an interest in the future of Koha are asked to vote in a survey about the options for creating a Foundation. The poll is here: http://wiki.koha.org/doku.php?id=vote_in_prelim_survey Thanks for the feedback. I really needed to clarify my own thoughts on this one.

In response to Paul….

The Koha community met via IRC on the 15th September to discuss forming a Koha Foundation. Chat transcript is here: http://stats.workbuffer.org/irclog/koha/2009-09-15

They considered a number of immediately possible options for vesting the Koha trademark and koha.org domain if Liblime would pass them on. A comparison of the options can be found here: http://wiki.koha.org/doku.php?do=show&id=kohaheldbyfoundation

For the next two weeks people with an interest in the future of Koha are asked to vote in a survey about the options for creating a Foundation. The poll is here: http://wiki.koha.org/doku.php?id=vote_in_prelim_survey

]]> By: MJ Ray (software.coop) http://librariansmatter.com/blog/2009/09/19/the-koha-fork-and-being-the-change-you-want-to-see/comment-page-1/#comment-60288 MJ Ray (software.coop) Wed, 23 Sep 2009 09:09:15 +0000 http://librariansmatter.com/blog/?p=1390#comment-60288 The Affero GPL does not close the loophole neatly. Libraries could still be locked in by making some or all of their data hard to get, for example. The data is a vital part of a library's system, after all. Sadly, the Affero GPL is based on the absurd idea that one can "ensure cooperation" (see its preamble), whereas we have known for over a century that cooperation must be voluntary to be sustainable: that was one of the Rochdale pioneers' values. There are also other signficant problems and open questions with AGPL which FSF failed to address during its drafting. I feel it's a dangerous licence and each use needs checking carefully. The promise idea is a good one, similar to debian's social contract. software.coop already has a set of principles along those lines agreed by our members, but it's mixed up with other working practices which we've not published yet - I'll suggest we make a public promise and probably add it to http://www.software.coop/info/coopdev.html The Affero GPL does not close the loophole neatly. Libraries could still be locked in by making some or all of their data hard to get, for example. The data is a vital part of a library’s system, after all.

Sadly, the Affero GPL is based on the absurd idea that one can “ensure cooperation” (see its preamble), whereas we have known for over a century that cooperation must be voluntary to be sustainable: that was one of the Rochdale pioneers’ values. There are also other signficant problems and open questions with AGPL which FSF failed to address during its drafting. I feel it’s a dangerous licence and each use needs checking carefully.

The promise idea is a good one, similar to debian’s social contract. software.coop already has a set of principles along those lines agreed by our members, but it’s mixed up with other working practices which we’ve not published yet – I’ll suggest we make a public promise and probably add it to http://www.software.coop/info/coopdev.html

]]> By: Lori Ayre http://librariansmatter.com/blog/2009/09/19/the-koha-fork-and-being-the-change-you-want-to-see/comment-page-1/#comment-60263 Lori Ayre Wed, 23 Sep 2009 00:57:24 +0000 http://librariansmatter.com/blog/?p=1390#comment-60263 Kathryn, I too have read and read and read and I found your summary of the whole hullabaloo most useful. Thanks for grabbing all the most salient issues and helping guide the conversation. Kathryn,
I too have read and read and read and I found your summary of the whole hullabaloo most useful. Thanks for grabbing all the most salient issues and helping guide the conversation.

]]> By: The Galecia Group » The Koha fork and being the change you want to see | Librarians Matter http://librariansmatter.com/blog/2009/09/19/the-koha-fork-and-being-the-change-you-want-to-see/comment-page-1/#comment-60262 The Galecia Group » The Koha fork and being the change you want to see | Librarians Matter Wed, 23 Sep 2009 00:53:55 +0000 http://librariansmatter.com/blog/?p=1390#comment-60262 [...] The Koha fork and being the change you want to see Share and Enjoy: [...] [...] The Koha fork and being the change you want to see Share and Enjoy: [...]

]]> By: Paul Reynolds http://librariansmatter.com/blog/2009/09/19/the-koha-fork-and-being-the-change-you-want-to-see/comment-page-1/#comment-60258 Paul Reynolds Tue, 22 Sep 2009 23:47:00 +0000 http://librariansmatter.com/blog/?p=1390#comment-60258 Just caught up with this . Great summary. One point I feel needs more traction - and that's the question as to the status of the Koha Foundation - and how to make this a place which has the mana and the resources to manage the product on behalf of all the stakeholders - including users - libraries - developers - vendors and - enthusiasts Just caught up with this . Great summary.
One point I feel needs more traction – and that’s the question as to the status of the Koha Foundation – and how to make this a place which has the mana and the resources to manage the product on behalf of all the stakeholders – including users – libraries – developers – vendors and – enthusiasts

]]> By: Kaitlyn http://librariansmatter.com/blog/2009/09/19/the-koha-fork-and-being-the-change-you-want-to-see/comment-page-1/#comment-60176 Kaitlyn Mon, 21 Sep 2009 19:00:19 +0000 http://librariansmatter.com/blog/?p=1390#comment-60176 Thanks for the great post! I've been reading bits and pieces about this, but yours is the first post I've seen that concisely sums up the whole debacle in a way someone outside the community can easily grasp. Thanks for the great post! I’ve been reading bits and pieces about this, but yours is the first post I’ve seen that concisely sums up the whole debacle in a way someone outside the community can easily grasp.

]]> By: Chris Cormack http://librariansmatter.com/blog/2009/09/19/the-koha-fork-and-being-the-change-you-want-to-see/comment-page-1/#comment-60124 Chris Cormack Sun, 20 Sep 2009 23:11:51 +0000 http://librariansmatter.com/blog/?p=1390#comment-60124 Thanks for the great post Kathryn. It prompted me to examine why I reacted the way I did to the fork, here's what I came up with http://blog.bigballofwax.co.nz/2009/09/21/reflections-on-the-fork-a-week-later/ Thanks for the great post Kathryn.

It prompted me to examine why I reacted the way I did to the fork, here’s what I came up with

http://blog.bigballofwax.co.nz/2009/09/21/reflections-on-the-fork-a-week-later/

]]> By: Jim Peterson http://librariansmatter.com/blog/2009/09/19/the-koha-fork-and-being-the-change-you-want-to-see/comment-page-1/#comment-60108 Jim Peterson Sun, 20 Sep 2009 15:58:27 +0000 http://librariansmatter.com/blog/?p=1390#comment-60108 Thanks for the heads-up on LibLime's actions. This post is particularly timely for us as we are exploring our options in changing ILS vendors. I have been studying the open-source guys rather intently, myself being a proponent of both the development model and a user of Linux and other Free Open-Source Software (FOSS). I really like the offerings of both Equinox and LibLime, but now I'm going to have to think twice about LibLime's actions. We are not in a great hurry to change, so LibLime bears some watching. Thanks, Kathryn! Thanks for the heads-up on LibLime’s actions. This post is particularly timely for us as we are exploring our options in changing ILS vendors. I have been studying the open-source guys rather intently, myself being a proponent of both the development model and a user of Linux and other Free Open-Source Software (FOSS).

I really like the offerings of both Equinox and LibLime, but now I’m going to have to think twice about LibLime’s actions. We are not in a great hurry to change, so LibLime bears some watching. Thanks, Kathryn!

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