Comments on: What is Library2.0 and Library2.0+ ? http://librariansmatter.com/blog/2007/04/19/what-is-library20-and-library20/ It is and we do. Musing, enthusing, libraries, emerging technologies, balancing, being mum. Mon, 21 May 2012 01:52:44 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.2 By: Librarians Matter » Blog Archive » What’s new about Library 2.0? Shift in power. http://librariansmatter.com/blog/2007/04/19/what-is-library20-and-library20/comment-page-1/#comment-12192 Librarians Matter » Blog Archive » What’s new about Library 2.0? Shift in power. Mon, 10 Sep 2007 14:32:08 +0000 http://librariansmatter.com/blog/2007/04/19/what-is-library20-and-library20/#comment-12192 [...] I’ve tried to define it a couple of times here (Library 2.0 on under $5 a day) and here (What is library 2.0 and Library 2.0 plus? ). If you want to read more about it, Jennifer Macaulay’s excellent Library 2.0 Roundup - [...] [...] I’ve tried to define it a couple of times here (Library 2.0 on under $5 a day) and here (What is library 2.0 and Library 2.0 plus? ). If you want to read more about it, Jennifer Macaulay’s excellent Library 2.0 Roundup – [...]

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]]> By: Kathryn Greenhill http://librariansmatter.com/blog/2007/04/19/what-is-library20-and-library20/comment-page-1/#comment-1376 Kathryn Greenhill Sat, 21 Apr 2007 15:39:16 +0000 http://librariansmatter.com/blog/2007/04/19/what-is-library20-and-library20/#comment-1376 Hi Jude. I guess in these days of folksomy and user centred tagging, Library2.0+ will be called many things by many different users..and that's how it should be :) I think people who are just coming to the conversation now possibly think that the Library2.0 shorthand has a much more limited application than those of us who have been folowing the broader discussion for a while. I'd hate for them to dismiss or not see all the other wonderful things we are trying to do under the Library2.0 banner - things that have little to do with web sites at all. Enjoy New Zealand. Clarify the unclarifiable and wow 'em. Are the same conversations happening around the term "School2.0" - or does that not exist yet? Hi Jude. I guess in these days of folksomy and user centred tagging, Library2.0+ will be called many things by many different users..and that’s how it should be :)

I think people who are just coming to the conversation now possibly think that the Library2.0 shorthand has a much more limited application than those of us who have been folowing the broader discussion for a while. I’d hate for them to dismiss or not see all the other wonderful things we are trying to do under the Library2.0 banner – things that have little to do with web sites at all.

Enjoy New Zealand. Clarify the unclarifiable and wow ‘em. Are the same conversations happening around the term “School2.0″ – or does that not exist yet?

]]> By: Judy O'Connell http://librariansmatter.com/blog/2007/04/19/what-is-library20-and-library20/comment-page-1/#comment-1375 Judy O'Connell Sat, 21 Apr 2007 15:22:37 +0000 http://librariansmatter.com/blog/2007/04/19/what-is-library20-and-library20/#comment-1375 Kathryn, I will be in NewZealand in a week, doing a presentation on this same topic. You have 'covered off' all the key ideas, particularly in the way you have crafted the two concepts of L2 and L2+. I agree with you that we can't describe much of what is happening other than calling it L2, even though that type of terminology will disappear. Many of the social networking tools are still developing! There's starting to be some interesting discussion around all this now - which is great. I do think we have some serious work to do with taxonomy and folksonomy - so that needs to be added in some depth to our conversations. But overall, we are relaxed about Web 2.0 and Library 2.0, and can now just get on with developing it all :-) Kathryn, I will be in NewZealand in a week, doing a presentation on this same topic. You have ‘covered off’ all the key ideas, particularly in the way you have crafted the two concepts of L2 and L2+. I agree with you that we can’t describe much of what is happening other than calling it L2, even though that type of terminology will disappear. Many of the social networking tools are still developing! There’s starting to be some interesting discussion around all this now – which is great. I do think we have some serious work to do with taxonomy and folksonomy – so that needs to be added in some depth to our conversations. But overall, we are relaxed about Web 2.0 and Library 2.0, and can now just get on with developing it all :-)

]]> By: Kathryn Greenhill http://librariansmatter.com/blog/2007/04/19/what-is-library20-and-library20/comment-page-1/#comment-1351 Kathryn Greenhill Fri, 20 Apr 2007 15:41:19 +0000 http://librariansmatter.com/blog/2007/04/19/what-is-library20-and-library20/#comment-1351 You're right about the first L2 not just being about the techs involved, but the attitudes as well. Library2.0+ develops these attitudes further and applies them wider. You can have them without any Web2.0 tech. I'd put the world of unconferences and the community development techniques you mentioned in this zone. Associated with Web2.0, but not dependent on it. My uni was founded in the 70's as an alternative, participative institution, way before Web2.0 was born. A lot of residual attitudes from this period, that seem to be making a comeback, slot right into Library2.0+. Re: the Maven Studies wiki - accidentally deleting other people's entries just after it went up isn't very L2 or L2+. Admitting to it and apologising - now THAT was L2+. ;) You’re right about the first L2 not just being about the techs involved, but the attitudes as well.

Library2.0+ develops these attitudes further and applies them wider. You can have them without any Web2.0 tech. I’d put the world of unconferences and the community development techniques you mentioned in this zone. Associated with Web2.0, but not dependent on it.

My uni was founded in the 70′s as an alternative, participative institution, way before Web2.0 was born. A lot of residual attitudes from this period, that seem to be making a comeback, slot right into Library2.0+.

Re: the Maven Studies wiki – accidentally deleting other people’s entries just after it went up isn’t very L2 or L2+. Admitting to it and apologising – now THAT was L2+. ;)

]]> By: Ryan http://librariansmatter.com/blog/2007/04/19/what-is-library20-and-library20/comment-page-1/#comment-1347 Ryan Fri, 20 Apr 2007 13:59:22 +0000 http://librariansmatter.com/blog/2007/04/19/what-is-library20-and-library20/#comment-1347 I have a presentation in Newfoundland next month that discusses this a little bit as well, I'm calling it "Library 2.0 is the answer! Now what was the question again?" I think the first library 2.0 concept requires a bit more than "applying Web 2.0 in the library" because as a principle, web 2.0 techs require a non-traditional mode of thinking to be successful. As I have learned with my "Maven Studies" project, installing a wiki is the easy part. It's the actively seeking participation, easing up on professional standards and "smarts" a little in favor of the "wisdom of the crowd" (great book by the way) and that sort of stuff that will/would/should create a more user-centered experience in libraries. You can still have a MySpace page and be library 1.0. (I envision a page with a whole lot of moderation, logins and "advanced search" options. :) ). I think I agree, though, that my "zero tech" ideas were maybe taking this integration of "library 2.0" and "community mindedness" a bit too far. That said, I think there are enough parallels between the two to forgive the occasional transgression as it happens. Jessamyn West and I had a discussion sort of around these concepts at CIL, that I will definitely blog a bit on later. Basically, I am interested in where we can go with the Slow Library movement, which may also be called Library 2.0+ in the future. Who knows? What I do understand is that libraries do need to get "out there" more and we are more able to do this with the rise of both Web 2.0 techs and some of the more interesting community development techniques that are being applied in the world ("Open Space" "World Cafe" "Appreciative Inquiry" and etc.). I have a presentation in Newfoundland next month that discusses this a little bit as well, I’m calling it “Library 2.0 is the answer! Now what was the question again?”

I think the first library 2.0 concept requires a bit more than “applying Web 2.0 in the library” because as a principle, web 2.0 techs require a non-traditional mode of thinking to be successful. As I have learned with my “Maven Studies” project, installing a wiki is the easy part. It’s the actively seeking participation, easing up on professional standards and “smarts” a little in favor of the “wisdom of the crowd” (great book by the way) and that sort of stuff that will/would/should create a more user-centered experience in libraries.

You can still have a MySpace page and be library 1.0. (I envision a page with a whole lot of moderation, logins and “advanced search” options. :) ).

I think I agree, though, that my “zero tech” ideas were maybe taking this integration of “library 2.0″ and “community mindedness” a bit too far. That said, I think there are enough parallels between the two to forgive the occasional transgression as it happens.

Jessamyn West and I had a discussion sort of around these concepts at CIL, that I will definitely blog a bit on later. Basically, I am interested in where we can go with the Slow Library movement, which may also be called Library 2.0+ in the future. Who knows?

What I do understand is that libraries do need to get “out there” more and we are more able to do this with the rise of both Web 2.0 techs and some of the more interesting community development techniques that are being applied in the world (“Open Space” “World Cafe” “Appreciative Inquiry” and etc.).

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