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		<title>By: Librarians Matter &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Taking your personal ethics to your workplace.</title>
		<link>http://librariansmatter.com/blog/2007/01/14/watch-out-reading-books-can-kill-you/comment-page-1/#comment-38612</link>
		<dc:creator>Librarians Matter &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Taking your personal ethics to your workplace.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 May 2008 15:03:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] under 18, so not legally adults. What do we do if in the name of academic freedom and enquiry, we buy an item that is classified as restricted to 18+ . What do we do if our 17 year olds want to attend one of our Second Life workshops, when we know [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] under 18, so not legally adults. What do we do if in the name of academic freedom and enquiry, we buy an item that is classified as restricted to 18+ . What do we do if our 17 year olds want to attend one of our Second Life workshops, when we know [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Librarians Matter &#187; Blog Archive &#187; What happened after&#8230;</title>
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		<dc:creator>Librarians Matter &#187; Blog Archive &#187; What happened after&#8230;</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Apr 2007 15:41:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] did order The Peacefull Pill Handbook for my library after the ethics course controller agreed enthusiastically that it should be in our [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Elaine Anderson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Elaine Anderson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Feb 2007 03:21:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I guess in the case of an Australian library, given the complete ban, a patron would not have access.  However, I think we would be able to get it from one of our public libraries.  If it were not available at a public library, we would still have the option of getting it from a university library with some cost involved.

I&#039;m not sure what all of the fuss is about.  There is a book called Final Exit that has been out for years that goes into methods, I believe.  It is in our library as we speak.  I have to be honest and say that I haven&#039;t even glanced through either book, so I don&#039;t know if we are talking about the same issues.

Would I purchase Peaceful Pill Handbook?  I suppose that would be an option.  Would I have some qualms?  Yes.  But my decision would still have to be based on what will circulate.  I see that it has been on the bestseller list.  Does that mean that a lot of people want to know how to do themselves in?  I don&#039;t think so.  But it does make me wonder if it would also be a high circulating book, although it has been shown that bestseller and most borrowed lists are often quite different.

I am sure that if someone really wants to end their life, there are a myriad of ways and lots of information on the internet.  It&#039;s like learning to build a bomb.  If you look hard enough, you can find the information.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I guess in the case of an Australian library, given the complete ban, a patron would not have access.  However, I think we would be able to get it from one of our public libraries.  If it were not available at a public library, we would still have the option of getting it from a university library with some cost involved.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not sure what all of the fuss is about.  There is a book called Final Exit that has been out for years that goes into methods, I believe.  It is in our library as we speak.  I have to be honest and say that I haven&#8217;t even glanced through either book, so I don&#8217;t know if we are talking about the same issues.</p>
<p>Would I purchase Peaceful Pill Handbook?  I suppose that would be an option.  Would I have some qualms?  Yes.  But my decision would still have to be based on what will circulate.  I see that it has been on the bestseller list.  Does that mean that a lot of people want to know how to do themselves in?  I don&#8217;t think so.  But it does make me wonder if it would also be a high circulating book, although it has been shown that bestseller and most borrowed lists are often quite different.</p>
<p>I am sure that if someone really wants to end their life, there are a myriad of ways and lots of information on the internet.  It&#8217;s like learning to build a bomb.  If you look hard enough, you can find the information.</p>
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		<title>By: Kathryn Greenhill</title>
		<link>http://librariansmatter.com/blog/2007/01/14/watch-out-reading-books-can-kill-you/comment-page-1/#comment-381</link>
		<dc:creator>Kathryn Greenhill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Feb 2007 23:25:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Elaine - yes a public library would not be the place for this book. But, what if a patron asked you to supply it and there were no copies available for interlibrary loan? Then what?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Elaine &#8211; yes a public library would not be the place for this book. But, what if a patron asked you to supply it and there were no copies available for interlibrary loan? Then what?</p>
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		<title>By: Elaine Anderson</title>
		<link>http://librariansmatter.com/blog/2007/01/14/watch-out-reading-books-can-kill-you/comment-page-1/#comment-356</link>
		<dc:creator>Elaine Anderson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Feb 2007 02:51:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I do not believe in banning books but I struggle with this issue as well.  I work in a public library and it is not my job to purchase materials.  However, I would be squirming if I had to consider this book.  A library also has to make choices about where it puts its budget and I would think in the case of the public library, this would not be a well-circulated book.  

Other books that make me squirm are about the notorious killer couple Karla Homolka and Paul Bernardo who terrorized the local area as young girls went missing.   It is just too close to home to want to read these graphic stories.
http://www.crimelibrary.com/serial_killers/notorious/bernardo/index_1.html

However, the reality is that even if we don&#039;t have certain books, they are available through Interlibrary Loan, making any title from anywhere in Canada available to our patrons.

Take the &quot;Banned Book Challenge.&quot;
http://pelhamlibrary.blogspot.com/2007/02/take-banned-book-challenge.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I do not believe in banning books but I struggle with this issue as well.  I work in a public library and it is not my job to purchase materials.  However, I would be squirming if I had to consider this book.  A library also has to make choices about where it puts its budget and I would think in the case of the public library, this would not be a well-circulated book.  </p>
<p>Other books that make me squirm are about the notorious killer couple Karla Homolka and Paul Bernardo who terrorized the local area as young girls went missing.   It is just too close to home to want to read these graphic stories.<br />
<a href="http://www.crimelibrary.com/serial_killers/notorious/bernardo/index_1.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.crimelibrary.com/serial_killers/notorious/bernardo/index_1.html</a></p>
<p>However, the reality is that even if we don&#8217;t have certain books, they are available through Interlibrary Loan, making any title from anywhere in Canada available to our patrons.</p>
<p>Take the &#8220;Banned Book Challenge.&#8221;<br />
<a href="http://pelhamlibrary.blogspot.com/2007/02/take-banned-book-challenge.html" rel="nofollow">http://pelhamlibrary.blogspot.com/2007/02/take-banned-book-challenge.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Kathryn Greenhill</title>
		<link>http://librariansmatter.com/blog/2007/01/14/watch-out-reading-books-can-kill-you/comment-page-1/#comment-212</link>
		<dc:creator>Kathryn Greenhill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Jan 2007 13:53:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks Matthew. You&#039;re right about the suicide methods...and I suspect that people investigating suicide are charitable when they interpret a reckless death. I&#039;d say a proportion of our road toll is actually suicide. Same goes for many &quot;accidental&quot; deaths.

A friend who tried to kill himself told me that he &quot;just wanted to end the pain&quot; - emotional, not physical. I would be concerned about young people, maybe young women with low self esteem -  who &quot;didn&#039;t want to be any trouble&quot; - choosing a gentle way to end life, and finding methods in the book. Then again, if they are determined to do themselves in, and will do it by whatever means possible, maybe it&#039;s actually compassionate to provide the information.

I think you are right. Discussions about euthanasia should be had, and not just in whispers when the kids have gone to bed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Matthew. You&#8217;re right about the suicide methods&#8230;and I suspect that people investigating suicide are charitable when they interpret a reckless death. I&#8217;d say a proportion of our road toll is actually suicide. Same goes for many &#8220;accidental&#8221; deaths.</p>
<p>A friend who tried to kill himself told me that he &#8220;just wanted to end the pain&#8221; &#8211; emotional, not physical. I would be concerned about young people, maybe young women with low self esteem &#8211;  who &#8220;didn&#8217;t want to be any trouble&#8221; &#8211; choosing a gentle way to end life, and finding methods in the book. Then again, if they are determined to do themselves in, and will do it by whatever means possible, maybe it&#8217;s actually compassionate to provide the information.</p>
<p>I think you are right. Discussions about euthanasia should be had, and not just in whispers when the kids have gone to bed.</p>
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		<title>By: Matthew Nogrady</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matthew Nogrady</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Jan 2007 02:42:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Kathryn,

I think the need to acquire current, relevant resources on this subject far outweighs the risks in this particular case. But it is a really good question to be asking, and suicide among young males is an important issue to keep in mind in your position. As  former philosophy student and depressive, I appreciate your sensitivity.

I think, though, that most young males do not &#039;euthanase&#039; themselves in the way that Dr Nitshke addresses . Youth suicide is culturally embedded in youth culture - drug and alcohol abuse, cars, etc - and, most awfully, in more dramatic and horrible ways of ending life. The book isn&#039;t going to provide them with some technique they had been crucially lacking. I don&#039;t think those who attempt suicide do much research. In fact, if I found this book on my child&#039;s floor, I&#039;d be less worried. The philosophy of euthanasia (&#039;good death&#039;) is intimately and conceptually connected to ideas about the value and preciousness of life, and how people in totally different circumstances (the old and physically ill) have to consider their existence.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Kathryn,</p>
<p>I think the need to acquire current, relevant resources on this subject far outweighs the risks in this particular case. But it is a really good question to be asking, and suicide among young males is an important issue to keep in mind in your position. As  former philosophy student and depressive, I appreciate your sensitivity.</p>
<p>I think, though, that most young males do not &#8216;euthanase&#8217; themselves in the way that Dr Nitshke addresses . Youth suicide is culturally embedded in youth culture &#8211; drug and alcohol abuse, cars, etc &#8211; and, most awfully, in more dramatic and horrible ways of ending life. The book isn&#8217;t going to provide them with some technique they had been crucially lacking. I don&#8217;t think those who attempt suicide do much research. In fact, if I found this book on my child&#8217;s floor, I&#8217;d be less worried. The philosophy of euthanasia (&#8216;good death&#8217;) is intimately and conceptually connected to ideas about the value and preciousness of life, and how people in totally different circumstances (the old and physically ill) have to consider their existence.</p>
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		<title>By: Kathryn Greenhill</title>
		<link>http://librariansmatter.com/blog/2007/01/14/watch-out-reading-books-can-kill-you/comment-page-1/#comment-203</link>
		<dc:creator>Kathryn Greenhill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Jan 2007 14:13:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Ivan. Thanks. 

Let&#039;s run it through your filter....1)Yes - ethics course 2)Alternative - hard to find and probably on the &quot;hidden net&quot; 3) Seeking input would be step one 4) Wouldn&#039;t do it for something like this...even if I had absolute leeway, I&#039;d still want to chat to someone in the library about what they thought.

Anyone can request restricted materials, as far as I know. I guess having it on restricted access is better than not having it at all. A more pragmatic reason is that this is the type of book that always goes missing (along with the witchcraft, world war two and sex books).

I agree, it&#039;s an interesting mental exercise..I may just run it past the ethics lecturer and see what questions she has in her toolkit for dealing with this type of dilemma.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Ivan. Thanks. </p>
<p>Let&#8217;s run it through your filter&#8230;.1)Yes &#8211; ethics course 2)Alternative &#8211; hard to find and probably on the &#8220;hidden net&#8221; 3) Seeking input would be step one 4) Wouldn&#8217;t do it for something like this&#8230;even if I had absolute leeway, I&#8217;d still want to chat to someone in the library about what they thought.</p>
<p>Anyone can request restricted materials, as far as I know. I guess having it on restricted access is better than not having it at all. A more pragmatic reason is that this is the type of book that always goes missing (along with the witchcraft, world war two and sex books).</p>
<p>I agree, it&#8217;s an interesting mental exercise..I may just run it past the ethics lecturer and see what questions she has in her toolkit for dealing with this type of dilemma.</p>
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		<title>By: Ivan Chew</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ivan Chew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Jan 2007 13:48:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Kathryn, here&#039;s what I&#039;d consider if I were in your shoes: (1) Is acquiring the said material considered relevant to what my employer expects of me? In this case, is it relevant to the faculty/ students? (2) Is alternative information available? (3) What concerns would my employer have? I might as well get their inputs on the matter, after I&#039;ve provided them a recommendation; (4) Related to item 3 is how much lee-way my employer gives me to make decisions like this, without consulting them. 

If I decide to acquire the item, but still have concerns over access, I&#039;d put some &quot;restrictions&quot; or &quot;controls&quot; in place, e.g. available to all, but upon request. I presume only library members have the right to request?

I must qualify that I don&#039;t know enough about your workplace, customer&#039;s needs &amp; expectations, work-culture, privacy policy etc. I&#039;m just using your post as a good excuse for a brief mental exercise :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Kathryn, here&#8217;s what I&#8217;d consider if I were in your shoes: (1) Is acquiring the said material considered relevant to what my employer expects of me? In this case, is it relevant to the faculty/ students? (2) Is alternative information available? (3) What concerns would my employer have? I might as well get their inputs on the matter, after I&#8217;ve provided them a recommendation; (4) Related to item 3 is how much lee-way my employer gives me to make decisions like this, without consulting them. </p>
<p>If I decide to acquire the item, but still have concerns over access, I&#8217;d put some &#8220;restrictions&#8221; or &#8220;controls&#8221; in place, e.g. available to all, but upon request. I presume only library members have the right to request?</p>
<p>I must qualify that I don&#8217;t know enough about your workplace, customer&#8217;s needs &amp; expectations, work-culture, privacy policy etc. I&#8217;m just using your post as a good excuse for a brief mental exercise <img src='http://librariansmatter.com/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Kathryn Greenhill</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kathryn Greenhill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Jan 2007 13:47:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Restricted access..hmm...we do have a &quot;special collections&quot; status for things in storage that take a day to obtain. Now THERE&#039;S a thought.

Although, you have to fill in a form with your personal details to do that...and is it any of our business? 

I think there&#039;s an entire blog post in that one :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Restricted access..hmm&#8230;we do have a &#8220;special collections&#8221; status for things in storage that take a day to obtain. Now THERE&#8217;S a thought.</p>
<p>Although, you have to fill in a form with your personal details to do that&#8230;and is it any of our business? </p>
<p>I think there&#8217;s an entire blog post in that one <img src='http://librariansmatter.com/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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